Thursday, December 29, 2011

More on the Logging at Farragut



I received another email concerning the logging that is occurring in Farragut State Park. I am not a reporter not am I an editor. I volunteered to post this information because we should be upset by the methods that are being used for "thinning" of Farragut. Paul Chesney gave me permission to post his letter: Norma Jean
"Last Monday afternoon, 12/26/11, when driving in the Park just before Whitetail Campground along the South Rd. planning to take my usual hike from the docks east along the upper trail above the lake, I saw a pile of about 14 or 15 feet wide and 6 feet high of recently felled smaller logs, along the south edge of South Rd. in front of some heavy logging equipment, and I stopped to take a closer look.

It may have been that the smaller logs piled in front of the equipment clearly visible to traffic was intended to suggest to the public the thinning of the smaller overcrowded bull pine as has been done along much of South Rd.

However, behind the logging equipment, in an area just now being logged, were numerous large felled Douglas fir logs ready for hauling out of the Park measuring in the range of 19", 22", 17", 21" etc.

Hiking further back from there towards the path that leads to a clearing into the west side of Whitetail Campground about 300 yards in and starting at a point where the Linx trail leaves the trail into Whitetail, are numerous large Douglas fir that have just been felled and limbed. This is in an area off to the left of the trail. The area (so far) covers roughly 6 to 8 acres. Random diameter measurements for these show: 17", 11", 17", 12", 10", 15", 14", 20", 15", 10", 18", 13", 14".

Only a small number of the big standing trees in this area remain. The area here still had fresh limbs covering much of the ground. Numerous piles of these larger logs are scattered throughout the area and were also ready to be hauled back to South Rd. where the heavy equipment was parked.

Park and Rec. or Fish and Game will tell us they are just thinning this area of Farragut and will undoubtedly downplay the aesthetic damage we see and the harm to the existing wildlife and will say that the “thinning” is necessary to lessen the possibility of the spread of forest fires or wildfires within the park

There are two kinds of thinning, however; one which is, I believe, legitimate: that is, thinning out the smaller, stunted, dry, overcrowded growth that occurs when years ago, virtually all the trees germinated at essentially the same time. They are far more vulnerable to the initiation or spread of fire. In Farragut, this kind of thinning has been accomplished in various areas of the park and is especially noticeable along some of the main roads.

The second kind of thinning, I believe, is not legitimate; it is a process where the underlying motive in most cases is ultimately for profit. It involves (1) removing most or all of the brush and smaller trees within a stand of large, mature trees, as well as (2) "thinning" the large, mature trees and leaving only a smattering of them within the logged area.

Park management, will justify this kind of “thinning” by using the well worn argument that the danger of wildfires is reduced when enough of these trees are logged so that the tops or crowns of the trees has sufficient space between them. This is a bogus explanation and simply not true for a variety of reasons.

Significantly more sunlight is allowed in these logged, “thinned”, areas. As a consequence, drier conditions soon result, and within a relatively short period of time the loss in the ground cover and habitat for both plant and animal is quite dramatic. Moss and lichen that were present before, rotted logs that had served as shelter and habitat for smaller animals and birds, and much of the ground cover will dry up in what once was a shadier, cooler, environment.

Those areas in the Park with the larger, mature trees clearly should be left alone."


Paul Chesney

Sunday, December 25, 2011


Odds and Ends

I noticed an article in the Coeur d’ Alene Press dated December 24, 2011.  Seems there is a thief or thieves taking items out of mail boxes.  While visiting my friends on Parks Road for a fantastic Christmas dinner, a tradition we have enjoyed for several years, the same subject came up.  Seems there is the same thing occurring in the rural area of Athol.  Opened mail has been found opened and  lying on the ground.  The authorities were called but no report was taken.  Guess the folks living in the country are not as important as those living in the city!  Hmm. Watch your mail boxes.  Times are tough.

Well the election occurred without incident for the Chamber of Commerce.  After last year’s staggering attendees, the 8 that showed up for the meeting decided to vote for the slate of officers’.  So, Norma jean was elected as the Member at Large, Vic Woolever as Vice President, and Ken Saunders will continue as the Treasurer.  The ensuing months will be interesting and Norma Jean obviously ignored the threat to stay out of the local politics.

Dean greeted me with the statement “since you are the one who does all of the baking …” On Saturday I made the traditional cinnamon rolls for Christmas morning, as well as a small apple pie and two pumpkin swirl cheesecakes.  Dean’s job was to make the family Christmas Eve dish of Duppa.  My family was Swedish and my memories were having a cup of coffee (with lots of milk) and fresh out of the oven cinnamon rolls after we arrived at Grandmother’s house in Buhl Minnesota.  Duppa was a soup made from the drippings of the various roasts that were made in preparation for Christmas Day, a day by the way that was considered holy.  The broth has various sausages as well, crusty fresh bread was served, rice pudding, and for dessert we always had apple pie.  While we were eating Santa would bring our presents, Christmas Eve dinner was always served in the kitchen.  Santa needed the privacy of the living room.  After dinner we opened our presents.

This is a tradition that has been carried on with our family and our children.

We did not travel to see our children this year but I keep getting messages from my daughter about how she really misses not having us around for Christmas, actually I think they all miss the baking I do for the holiday.

We hope that everyone had a blessed Christmas with your family.

Next is the tradition we picked up while in Georgia – black-eyed peas, collard greens, southern corn bread and ham hocks!

Chipmunk escaped again this evening, she runs around in a 5 acre radius. She eventually decided to walk back home with me. She is not dangerous just likes to take herself for a run upon occasion. We cannot seem to break her of this bad habit. So if you should happen to see a white Siberian Husky someday just tell her to go home. She is a wonderful dog, just likes her freedom upon occasion!

Friday, December 23, 2011

Farragut Logging

After several conversation and permission from Harvey Brannigan I am posting this letter that has been sent out via email. I felt the subject warranted a closer view:

"Farragut State Park
There are many wonderful ways to spend a day in northern Idaho and a trip to Farragut State Park is certainly among them. We don’t need Frederick Olmstead to design a Central Park for us. Mother Nature did all the heavy lifting. Farragut is truly a unique place. It is both beautiful and historic.
I was troubled recently when my wife and I were hiking near Blackwell Point, one of our favorite vantage points for viewing Lake Pend’Oreille. A large “swat” had been clear cut below the lookout and continued toward the cabins just beyond the Willow day use area.
I had been told that the area might be thinned in a manner similar to that which recently happened in other parts of the park. I expect to see the area “thinned” with the larger trees left standing. This was not the case. Every tree had been cut and removed.
I am not averse to logging. I am concerned, however, when the Park’s beauty is degraded and the ecosystem currently home to dozens of seasonal eagles is disturbed so that Idaho Fish and Game can generate revenue from their property.
I am aware that IF&G is funded solely by the licenses they sell with no moneys coming from the Idaho State general funds. They are desperate to generate revenues but there are prescriptions and directives regarding logging practices within the park. Wouldn’t it have been “nice” if IF&G followed these prescriptions?
Wouldn’t it be “nice” if there were a citizens committee composed of people interested in park related issue? The committee needn’t have any binding capacity but could exist strictly to discuss the publically owned park openly so that we can eliminate the need for any further litigation which only harm all parties and certainly make future events more dubious?
If you are concerned about Farragut State Park please go and see the sight that is currently being logged by IF&G near Blackwell Point and/or contact the following people list below with your opinion(s).
Thanks,
Harvey Brannigan
Call or email:
Terry McDermott – Panhandle Regional Commissioner
Sharon Kiefer – Boise Deputy Director (programs and policies)
Chip Corsi – Supervisor IF&G
David Leptich – Regional Wildlife Habitat Biologist
Randall Butt – Farragut State Park Manager

Norma Jean

Saturday, December 17, 2011

Thoughts and Ramblings

December 17, 2011
This is the time of year when we all reflect on the previous year’s happenings.  This is also the time of year when we can help those who are less fortunate than ourselves.  Typically Dean and I write a short note to include with our Christmas cards letting all of our friends know what we have or have not been up to the past year.

I have been spending time while driving listening to CD’s produced by a well-known pastor from Texas.  This is unusual for me.  The CD’s were shared with me by a friend that I have known since coming to Bayview.  This morning occupation sets the tone for my day.

I got to thinking about Bayview and the beautiful small town where I live and wondered if everyone who lives here were first passionate about the place they lived?  I know I am passionate about my surroundings.  I enjoy this small mountain community and relish the surrounding beauty.  Where did your passion wander off to?  We all came here believing that this has to be the best place on earth to live.  What happened to us?

Last year around this same time the community came together to provide support for a family that experienced, some have said a tragic blow, I feel that a better word is horrifying, the incident has had far reaching ramifications for Yvonne and her family as well as the Bayview community.   While we were in Virginia visiting family, locals gathered together to support the Wallis/Heath family, one member of that family died because of the violence of that momentous day.  Throughout this past year members of the community have continued to pour out support and concern for Yvonne.  I believe each one of us should be proud of what was accomplished.  Bayview has the ability as a community to be great.

One member of the community has provided transportation for Yvonne back and forth from Bayview to Seattle.  Others have donated tires, time, and money to help alleviate some of the pain that the family is trying to re-cover from.

My husband and I helped gather canned goods for the Athol Food bank; others have donated to other causes and concerns.  We are a generous and giving community.

A luncheon has been started to help those in the community who need a hot meal.  LOU has recently been censured. I find no valid reason to harass or censure the folks doing LOU.

Why is it necessary to attack those who are trying to bring back a sense of community?  Who cares about who eats these meals?  Why is it necessary to foster ill will and negativity?
I have loved Bayview and still do.  To all of those who have so generously given time or money, may God bless you for your generosity.  You deserve His blessings

Tuesday, November 29, 2011

Koki

This Saturday we are taking a short journey to a small city in Washington. We think we have located another "Sibe" that needs a home. After losing Buddy, we decided that we probably needed to have another dog to drive us nuts. Wish us luck on this new endeavor. Hopefully we will be returning with a new pal for Chipmunk.

My dear friend in Sagle had to temporarily give up her dog rescue. She poured her heart into her dogs but at this time needs to take a break. My friend was involved in rescuing the Huskies from Alaska about a year. This was an extremely big project. I have learned through experience that there are plenty of four legged friends that need our help too. Adopt a rescue animal, they usually are very grateful.

The cats discovered the Christmas tree today. Dean came into the living room to find the tree on its side and the cats racing to hide. It is all a learning experience. Both Sugar and Bo have been a delightful addition to our lives.

Chamber is election is in December.

I have heard that the Thanksgiving function was a rousing success. We elected to stay home with our friends who joined us for a delightful afternoon.

Coming up will be the LOU. I believe this is a great function. I applaud all of those who are working so hard to make this a success and I wish them well.

Also if you read bayview.blogspot the author has a story about Eldon at Mr. Tire and Eldon way of giving back to the community.


Norma Jean

My Opinion

I have received several comments, some signed and one not signed but threatening me.
Three comments I removed and two are on a holding status. This is my choice.

I am not a reporter, do not want to be one. I use this blog for my own reasons. If someone does not agree with me that is fine, don't read the blog. It is a blog after all, not the New York Times nor is this the "Letters to the Editor" page. If you have an opinion you feel strongly about, start your own blog.

I reserve the right to not post comments if I want, this is my choice.
If you need to discuss something with me, most know my phone number or where I live, feel free to call, stop by, or if you have my email write a note.

Norma Jean

Sunday, November 20, 2011

Thanksgiving and all of that stuffing!!

Dean and I just returned from an early Thanksgiving celebration with two friends from our Scenic Bay employment days. The food was fantastic, the setting beautiful, and the company interesting. The patriarch of the family gave thanks before we had dinner. I am as always reminded that I have plenty to be thankful for. I have a loving family, a roof over my head, a fantastic husband, and most importantly a job that I enjoy, I get paid too!

One of our very close friends finally returned from a five month stay in California. We are grateful that they are finally home. After many surgeries and close calls, Bill and Donna were finally able to return to Idaho just in time for the SNOW! Seriously I am pleased that so many folks are a blessing in my life, this includes Bill and Donna.

We will be going over to the Community Center to help with the Thanksgiving Dinner. The dinner is free to those in the Community, the meal starts at 2:00pm.

I am running for Member at Large for the Chamber of Commerce. Voting is December 13th, maybe I will be ousted by a write-in candidate again this year. Or with my luck I will be voted in.

Have a blessed Thanksgiving to all.

Norma Jean and Dean

Thought I would add a little note seems I have a follower who likes to take shots at my friends.
I removed their comments because I felt it was inappropriate.

My credibility shot, who cares?
I am just a resident in this lovely town.

And who is the mysterious writer?

By the looks of the posts on my blogspot there seems to be a follower who is trying to rattle me. Not exactly sure why but I am sure that he will explain himself or disappear.

Ho hum!

Norma Jean

Sunday, November 6, 2011

I felt it was time for another post and I have been fishing around for ideas. Seems the other local blogspot has included all of the local news except the continuing issues between a local marina owner and a favorite local individual. I do not want to spend my time or lower my standards by going into the issue.

While checking my email today I found a posting from my sister-in-law concerning Christmas 2011 and decided I should share this thought with all who read my blog:

"CHRISTMAS 2011 BIRTH OF A NEW TRADITION
As the holidays approach, the giant Asian factories are kicking into high gear to provide Americans with monstrous piles of cheaply produced goods -- merchandise that has been produced at the expense of American labor.
This year will be different. This year Americans will give the gift of genuine concern for other Americans. There is no longer an excuse that, at gift giving time, nothing can be found that is produced by American hands. Yes there is!
It's time to think outside the box, people. Who says a gift needs to fit in a shirt box, wrapped in Chinese produced wrapping paper?
Everyone -- yes EVERYONE gets their hair cut. How about gift certificates from your local American hair salon or barber?
Gym membership? It's appropriate for all ages who are thinking about some health improvement.
Who wouldn't appreciate getting their car detailed? Small, American owned detail shops and car washes would love to sell you a gift certificate or a book of gift certificates.
Are you one of those extravagant givers who think nothing of plunking down the Benjamin's on a Chinese made flat-screen? Perhaps that grateful gift receiver would like his driveway sealed, or lawn mowed for the summer, or driveway plowed all winter, or games at the local golf course.
There are a bazillion owner-run restaurants -- all offering gift certificates. And, if your intended isn't the fancy eatery sort, what about a half dozen breakfasts at the local breakfast joint. Remember, folks this isn't about big National chains -- this is about supporting your home town Americans with their financial lives on the line to keep their doors open.
How many people couldn't use an oil change for their car, truck or motorcycle, done at a shop run by the American working guy?
Thinking about a heartfelt gift for mom? Mom would LOVE the services of a local cleaning lady for a day.
My computer could use a tune-up, and I KNOW I can find some young guy who is struggling to get his repair business up and running.
OK, you were looking for something more personal. Local crafts people spin their own wool and knit them into scarves. They make jewelry, and pottery and beautiful wooden boxes.
Plan your holiday outings at local, owner operated restaurants and leave your server a nice tip. And, how about going out to see a play or ballet at your hometown theatre.
Musicians need love too, so find a venue showcasing local bands.
Honestly, people, do you REALLY need to buy another ten thousand Chinese lights for the house? When you buy a five dollar string of light, about fifty cents stays in the community. If you have those kinds of bucks to burn, leave the mailman, trash guy or babysitter a nice BIG tip.
You see, Christmas is no longer about draining American pockets so that China can build another glittering city. Christmas is now about caring about US, encouraging American small businesses to keep plugging away to follow their dreams. And, when we care about other Americans, we care about our communities, and the benefits come back to us in ways we couldn't imagine.
THIS is the new American Christmas tradition.
This is a revolution of caring about each other, and isn't that what Christmas is about?"
 
Food for thought in this really difficult time period, my best to all.
 
Norma Jean and Dean

Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Bayview Water and Sewer

Unfortunately I was busy at work while the Bayview Water and Sewer Meeting was happening, so I missed all of the fun that we manage to create here in Bayview.

PS Rose was busy at work too!

Wednesday, October 12, 2011

Bayview Chamber of Commerce and other stuff

Last night was the Chamber meeting. All seemed to go well unitl Chuck Waller stood up and made an announcement about the coming rate hike. Folks wanted to ask questions and were told that any questions needed to be asked at the Water Board meeting. I could not help but wonder just why the announcment even came up at the Chamber meeting if we were not allowed to ask questions, hmm. Still makes me scratch my head in wonder. A couple of folks in the audience were not willing to accept that answer and the crowd started reminding me of Chamber meetings in the past. I know the Bylaws were re-written this year and I thought that the "Member at Large" was supposed to maintain order, but I guess that only is in some instances.

Anyway there is a meeting being held Tuesday at the Bayview Water and Sewer building, course the meeting is at 3:30 which leaves out any of us who are working. "Good ole Boys"?

Still do not understand why Bob Holland name is mentioned. I think a few in the community need to let go of the past and move forward. And who is responsible for carrying grudges?

We also listened to the local fisheries report. The lake level this year will be at 2051 but really needs to be at 2055 because guess what? we have more Kokanee spawning. I still say and will continue to say that Mother Nature gets aggravated when we mess with her. It is not nice to mess with her. Sooo we will be planting eggs in streams to compensate. More head scratching from me. We get the bed of the lake cleaned up, the Kokanee start producing more, and now we are messing with them again.

But what really thrilled me was the presentation of the new proposed improvements to the Community Center, understand of course that the Community Center may have a shortfall in funds and just who is going to support this new project? Do we really expect businesses to come to Bayview and rent the Community Center? More head scratching on my part.

The welcome mat coming into Bayview was rolled up and put away. Has a feasability study been undertaken to find out whether renting the Center is even possible. A turkey fryer to purchase? Come on guys, you all did not want anybody coming to town and changing things and who is doing the changing now?


Saturday, September 24, 2011

New Owners of Boileau's Slips

Isn't anyone curious about the fromer Lake Breeze?

Don't you want to know who the new owners are?

Come on ask me pleeeaze.

Norma Jean

Friday, September 23, 2011

Waterfront

Remeber you heard this first from me.

Lake Breeze, formerly Boileau's was sold. Looks like some fantastic new owners will be taking care of the divided marina.

Bayview may still have a chance for survival.

September Equinox

Seems that I have largely ignored my musings, time has slipped away, and I find that fall is upon us. Sure could not tell that today, the day was very warm.

For those of you following  Yvonne Wallis and Herb Huseland's assistance I have started a fund for him. Herb took money out of his pocket, he is living on a fixed income, and drove Yvonne to Seattle for her recent medical care. Anyone who wishes to assist can either contact Dean or myself and we will make sure that Herb gets the donation. Our home telephone number is 208-683-1980 or you can send donations to PO Box 422, Bayview, ID 83803.

On another subject:

I am wondering just who the new owners are for Boileau's 83 slips. Will a new personality bring a much needed shot of new life to Bayview? Is it possible that with the start of cooler fall temperatures, Bayview will find new fresh winds blowing into the marina area. Will the Grinch finally find his match?

Who are the new owners? Is it possibly ....
Just who are the new owners?
Will post as soon as I find out. Nice to have another personality along the waterfront.

As always,

Norma Jean, the one with rose colored glasses
Dean, the retired person
All four legged critters
And as always many blessing, God be with you!

Sunday, September 11, 2011

Final Class and end of summer

Wow, I have been taking classes for so long now that I have finished my last class for my last degree I do not quite know what to do with myself. I find me wandering through the house with no real purpose, actually completing book that I have longed to finish reading.

Dean is putting together an area in the garage so I can work on my stained glass projects again. Many projects and lots of beautiful glass for me to play with. The last project was a bear free form for my son-in-law. That project ended being completed in my laundry room because it was so horribly cold that year. I could not work in my room because the glass kept shattering. I have a pattern that I promised to complete for my daughter, it seems that other projects always take first place.

I finished reading "The Help" today. The book was mentioned at the last 55+ dinner we attended, which by the way the next dinner is September 14 at the Community Center starting at 5:30pm. Having lived in Alabama during the era that book was written about brought memories to me. I can remember the "white and colored" drinking fountains in the court house and the colored maid my next door neighbor had. I also remember being taught that the nigras were really lucky that the white people took care of them during slavery days. I also remember hints of the KKK. James Brown, The Shades of Blue, and Aretha Franklin. What was written on the pages of The Help is poignant but I believe this book does not fully grasp the feeling of those days. Great book I recommend the reading of it.

The Chamber meeting is on Tuesday. This should be a lively meeting as the Chamber is discussing next years Bayview Daze and the street lights.
I had a comment made to me from a person that lived in the Seattle area concerning the mess we had with this years Bayview Daze. This comment really upsetme  because it seems that other comments have been made concerning the late decision that the Chamber had no control over.   I want whoever reads my blog to know that what occurred this year was in no way the fault of the current board, they simply inherited the issue and could not move forward since Lakes Highway refused to issue a permit until the two parties involved came to an agreement. The current board for the Bayview Chamber have done an outstanding job dealing with the issues that have come before them.

Show up for the Chamber meeting and help us decide how we are going to proceed next year for the July 4th celebration, a tradition that needs to continue as a Chamber function.

God Bless Everyone!

Norma Jean, Dean, and all of the four-legged critters

Friday, August 26, 2011

Herb, the MAN and Yvonne

Herb Huseland stepped up to the plate again last week and drove Yvonne over to Seattle for medical care. He thought that they would be able to leave as soon as the plate was removed from Yvonne's wound and she was well enough to travel. Alas that was not the case. Herb has been fighting bureaucracy over in the Seattle area with both Yvonne and himself being held hostage until the respective entities could figure out how to provide care for Yvonne.
Herb was quickly running out of money and patience. I tried to enlist some assistance Wednesday night but that did not materialize. This afternoon I located some postings from Nan to Herb on his blogspot and I contacted Nan. Her response was:

"I made lots more calls for Herb yesterday and Yvonne is checking into Life Care in CdA for a few weeks so she can have her antibiotics administered by a skilled nursing facility. She should be there in a few hours. Herb is a saint...but he was really getting fed up with all of the BS he was being fed. Cannot blame him ! Anyhow they were on their way home at 1:30 when I talked to him."

You can follow his experience on his blog www.bayviews.blogspot.com

I am sure we will hear more from him but I wanted to thank Nan for helping in this very difficult situation.

Say what you will but I truly admire Herb for taking the time to help this lady again.

Norma Jean and Dean

Thursday, August 18, 2011

Thursday Morning Fire

As I was getting ready for work this morning I heard a siren, seemed to stop shortly after pulling into town.  As I drove out of Bayview I was passed by many fire vehicles.

When I returned home this evening I received the news that a local family had had the fire which devastated their home.

Two email messages from others in town ....

A collection has been started for the Clanton family,

"To send a donation to the Clanton's, you can send it to the "Bayview Community Center Foundation" PO Box 493, Bayview, ID 83803. Please indicate that it is for the Clanton's."

Once again those of in Bayview will rally support for the family tragedy.

Norma Jean

Tuesday, August 16, 2011

"Bayview Cafe??"

Bayview Cafe?

We visited The Bay Cafe' this morning and we have to say that Jay did a fabulous job with our breakfast.
Stephanie was the server and Henry was back in the kitchen supervising.

Neither Dean nor myself had any doubts about Jay's talents. Going there will be worth the trip.

Norma Jean

Friday, August 12, 2011

Around the Town of Bayview

As many know by now Dean decided that he did not need to work anymore. He has officially put in for his retirement and we await the first check from Social Security. There comes a time in every one's life when it is necessary to decide whether putting up with other's baloney is really needed. We decided that it was time to move on and expand our horizon's. Or maybe just stay home at least for now.

Dean has been busy finishing projects around the house that neither of us could find the time to complete. He is planning a yard sale for Labor Day weekend. Treasures are available for all. We are selling our German Schrank that we have been carting around for decades. You might want to swing by the house and see if there is anything you would like to purchase. 34417 N Robin Lane, right across from the Community Center

I attended the latest Bayview Chamber of Commerce meeting. The main topic of discussion was the street lights that the Chamber is paying for here in Bayview.  No conclusion has been decided. On the next agenda will be the topic of Bayview Daze. Some feel the event should be moved to another month, as for me I believe the tradition has been established for the July 4th weekend. I feel strongly that we should continue with the tradition. Sentiments that I had voiced at a previous meeting surfaced this last meeting, the July 4th celebration is really not about personalities but instead a celebration of our freedom and recognition of those who fought for our right to express our opinions.  I will say this again Bayview needs to pull together, we are a community that was built on enjoying where we live, not a place to argue.

Also the Chamber will be electing three positions this year.  It was decided last year to elect the full board and then hold an election for Vice-President, Treasurer, and Member at Large.
I nominate Vic for Vice President!

As a side the day after Dean left The Wheel, the kitchen manager walked out. He is presently working for the Dean's who are leasing three properties from Scenic Bay Marina, Henry and Cheryl currently are leasing The Patio, The Hook, and now The Bay Cafe. The former kitchen manager from The Wheel is working at the Cafe. 

Norma Jean and
God Bless You All

Friday, July 22, 2011

Whew!

I think I made it back to the site and things look a little better. Thank you for your patience.

For those of you who do not know I am and have been a Shaklee user for decades. Please check out my site. Shaklee carries a nutritional supplements, "green" cleaning products, and a line of fabulous personal care products.  

www.njknowles.myshaklee.com

One of my dear friends who is stuck in California is not doing very well, I am asking those that read my blog to send some prayers for her and her husband, they really need the uplifting. Both Bill and Donna were there for us when we needed encouragement and love. They are a wonderful couple and I really want to see them come home soon.

Those of you who have gone to The Wheel and were not happy with the service let Pat and Teresa know. The food is fantastic. Introduce yourselves! Say HI and welcome to Bayview. Show you support and with any luck we will have some place to have dinner on cold and dreary winter evenings.

While I did not purchase rose colored glasses as I threatened, I did manage to fine a pair of frames that convey the "rose colored" theme!

Saturday, July 16, 2011

This is still a work in progress ......

Full Moon and Other Stuff

On my way to work the other I got the pleasure of seeing the full moon setting in the west, what a gorgeous site. I was geared for full moon craziness at work but the day seemed to slide by pleasantly.

I see my fawn is still crossing Highway 54 following its mother. I happened to be driving by shortly after the fawn was born. Mom was nudging the baby across the road. I sure hope no one hits my fawn, while we have not had the chance to have many conversations, I get a particular delight when I see the pair early in the morning.

We had visitors not too long ago. Dean was working at The Wheel when our former boss came strolling in. Seems "Big Bob" Konczak and his lovely wife Marcia were traveling back home to Colorado from a fantastic trip in Alaska. They thought they would stop by and have a green chili burrito. Unfortunately Dean was still in transition, breakfast had not started yet at The Wheel. Bob and Marcia became like family to us as we worked 5 years for them in a Casino known as Johnny Nolon's located in the small mining town of Cripple Creek Colorado.

Dean and I have been so very lucky through out our lives to have so many people we care about. Seeing Bob again brought tears to our eyes. All of our children and the Konczak children worked at Johnny Nolon's. Small communities bring close friends and build strong ties.

As I accessed the Internet this evening I noticed a story concerning a small North Idaho community. Seems this morning Scott found a six foot tall gold Egyptian mummy case on the roof of the Mercantile. Speculations are the mummy case may be an anniversary gift. Who knows, maybe it was the Grinch again!!

All for now and those of you who enjoyed Dean's Green Chili Burrito can find the item at The Wheel.
The Wheel has fantastic food and a wonderful group of employees.

Norma Jean

Thursday, July 7, 2011

Around Town

As Herb so recently pointed out things in Bayview have settled down since our infamous Bayview Daze. Seemed like there were more folks in town this year but I understand that more people did not necessarily mean more sales for the vendors. Not sure whether this was because there were too many folks in town or quite simply the fact that people do not have a great deal of expendable cash.
On Sunday night I grabbed my collection can for the fireworks and worked my way up and down the first hundred feet of Cape Horn Road and Perimeter. Most folks gave what they could, some simply ignored me, and others just did not have any spare change. I thanked those who acknowledged me and asked them to come back again next year! The show as usual was fantastic or at least what I could see of the show. Will I walk up and down Cape Horn again next year, you betcha, me and my rose colored glasses.

Since I recently fried my glasses I am seriously considering ordering a pair of rose colored glasses. I sure like seeing the positive side of life!

In case you had not noticed, Bayview now has banners posted on poles around town. The banners were donated to the Chamber and Vic Woolever, our Vice President of the Chamber climbed a ladder and secured the banners. He is not overly fond of heights. I just want to thank him. He has certainly become a valued addition to our community. If you see him tell him thanks! Funny thing happened and we are not quite sure but the banner on the Chambers light pole located on the corner of Marietta and Main came down, seems kind of strange because that banner was securely attached to the pole, kind makes one wonder if the Grinch is back up to his tricks again. Anyway we figured since the Chamber pays for the light and had the pole installed we could put a banner on the pole. Anyone sees that Grinch running around you might want to ask him!

My friend from Spokane came to visit this past weekend. Chipmunk, Buddy, Sugar, and Bo were all really happy to share "their" room with Tina. It was delight to see her as usual!

Just wanted to say hello!
Oh by the way I think that the Chamber did just fine this past weekend.

Norma Jean and Dean

Saturday, July 2, 2011

Saturday July 2, 2011

What a fantastic day! The weather is beautiful, the town not too crowded and the parade was great.
I had fun seeing a lot of old friends today. Actually was privileged to watch the parade this year and actually go pictures around town.

All went well with the BAB's Booth, the Show and Shine went smoothly thanks to Vic, and the Chamber did relatively well considering the location.
We had a couple of glitches with the hosting organization but those things will smooth out.

Dean and I had dinner at The Wheel on Friday night and the food was excellent. After arriving home Chipmunk decided for the third this week to take herself for a walk. I finally caught up to her over on 5th Street, not sure why she would not come to since I have never hurt her, guess she just needed to check town out. If you ever see a white female Siberian Husky loose it is probably Chipmunk. She loves people and is very friendly, I should be following behind her shortly!

Norma Jean

Saturday, June 25, 2011

Construction

I have gotten myself in a jam on this blog, bear with me as I try to re-arrange things. This may take awhile however.

Norma Jean

Friday, June 24, 2011

The Wheel and other stuff

Just a quick note, looks like the Wheel will be ready for the June25th opening. I stopped down there briefly this evening to say hello. Lots of work accomplished inside and out. I hope all in Bayview and surrounding areas will support the new owner and all that are working there. I wish them all well!

Hopefully I will be out and about on July 2nd, looking forward to not having to work and maybe be able to enjoy the street fair.

For updates on the Hook and the Patio check out bayviews.blogspot.com. Herb has posted updates.


Norma Jean

Wednesday, June 15, 2011

The Lake!

I thought I would share some pictures taken the last several days of the lake. Our special geese are still around and have integrated nicely with the Canadian geese. Each day I down to look at the lake it seems the level has gone up a little more!

So when do we get to have summer around here?

Missed the Chamber meeting but I hear all went well. I strongly feel and wish to state that the Chamber is working hard to maintain professionalism. Local businesses are being featured each month, the businesses are chosen on a random basis. This month the business is McDonald's Hudson Bay. Seems that the Chamber of Commerce is working at supporting the local businesses.

Norma Jean

Thursday, June 9, 2011

Bay Cafe

Quick news flash.

Dean officially tenured his resignation from The Bay Cafe today. He gave two weeks notice and has more integrity than his wife. I am so proud of him.

Norma Jean

Friday, May 27, 2011

July 4th and other "stuff"

Recent updates for those of you who follow my intermittent writings. B.A.B.’s will have a place on the lawn at Bayview Scenic Apartments during the Bayview Days event. Turns out that when Bayview Days first started B.A.B.’s had a booth at Bayview Scenic Motel, Ruby was a member of the organization. I felt the non-profit should have a guaranteed place for their major fund raiser of the year. I thoroughly enjoyed the brief meeting with Barb Balbi, Barb Wilcox, and Cindy Grandy. BAB’s is a local non-profit organization which supports many activities in the community. I have been involved with the American Legion Auxiliary for several years and know that BAB’s helps support the girls in our local communities who are sent to Girl State.


Lakes Highway is supposed to render a decision on the use of Marietta Road for Bayview Days. Seems two entities applied for the same permit. We are so close to the date of Bayviews annual July 4th celebration and no decision has been rendered. In my opinion I feel that the Chamber should back off and allow the other entity to host the event. Certain personalities have expressed the desire to demand specific requirements from the hosting organization. I am trying to wrap mind around this thought process. We as a community decided, I think not to incorporate Bayview, the Chamber of Commerce is not a ruling entity. The Chamber has no governing power. The Chamber is simply a volunteer organization that is supposed to support local businesses, not dictate rules and regulations.

I will quickly add that the current Chamber Board is moving forward in a professional manner. I am impressed, however I still believe that the DAC needs to disbanded or re-organized.

As one drives through town we all see the lack of business. Marinas are not as full as they have been in previous years. Many have commented to me the negative impact of Waterford Marinas and I beg to argue that statement. I know because of my experience that Waterford not only brought business to Bayview, the organization also provided entertainment such as The Blues and Brews. The Buttonhook was a valued addition to our community. Right now it stands empty and forlorn as does The Patio. I also note the condition of the properties located in the middle of our town. Previously I stated while the town of Bayview was sleeping the Grinch stole Christmas. The community was so busy fighting and destroying one personality, another personality acquired more property. I was told the other day that Mr. Holland ripped Bayview apart, no he did not, Bayview residents ripped this community apart and it is time for all of us to start working together to heal this town. This will only be accomplished by letting go of the hatred. We all need to start working together.

The Bay Café will be open Memorial Day and will be open Thursday through Monday, 8am-2pm. Dean has been working by himself through the winter months. He now has help. Come to the Café and enjoy a meal, try the Dean’s Green Chili burrito. Tuesday June 7th Dean will host the monthly Spaghetti dinner. This is an evening of companionship augmented by Judy Gullidges guitar and fantastic voice.

I love Bayview and eagerly enjoy the drive back into town each day.

Till we meet again!

Friday, April 29, 2011

Spring???

Gazing out the window at work I was delighted (?) to snow snow falling again! It is tough talking to customers who are enjoying the sun in Florida and other southern regions. I am really ready for the snow to stop.

I see the fund-raiser for Dorothy Carpenter is gearing up and getting ready for the big day tomorrow! I pray that all goes well and the function will be a roaring success. Am praying the weather will hold.

Talking to Dean the other day from The Bay Cafe and he will be featuring specials on Mother's Day May 8! I took the day off from work so I can complete a final exam and did not realize it was Mother's Day! Boy what a silly person I am! Speaking of The Cafe, Dean now has an extra pair of hands for assistance. He also will doing the Spaghetti Dinner Special on Tuesday the 5th of May. Come in and enjoy a meal with us. We all have a great time! The last dinner was especially memorable for all who attended.

Want to get outside and start my seeds, so I think soon I will just throw caution to the wind and plant anyway and pray for warm weather. i now have a small greenhouse will put the tomatoes in there this summer.

Please post some comments and suggestions.
I do need to change my opening picture soon!

Norma Jean

Wednesday, April 20, 2011

Stuff Happening in Bayview

I had the pleasure of attending both the Chamber Meeting and the Pot Luck held by the Community Council this week.

Not sure whether it is just me or has the Chamber really tried to change its image? What I see is a group of people gathering, behaving professionally, and trying to achieve the task of getting the businesses involved in the Chamber again, after all this organization is labeled a Chamber of Commerce. I am impressed with the flow and content of the meetings and the professional way the meetings are run. This week the Vice President officially resigned his post and the Chamber members elected Vic Woolever to sit on the board. Vic has been a friend of mine for several years now. I have watched him grow personally and feel that he will be a positive addition to the Chamber Board.  A motion was placed on the floor to not have the parade this year for Fourth of July weekend. One voice heard stated that he did not want to have any activities that would a allow a certain business make money. While I understand the frustration, I still cannot understand why any actions for a decrease in business would be aimed at one particular personality. The fact still remains that a few local jobs are provided by this persona.  I did not take offense at this comment. My husband and son-in-law served in the Armed Forces, upholding our right to voice our opinion.  I do need to add that a very important person to me still works for this entity. When asked why my husband does not seek other employment or employers my husband responded that he cared for and genuinely likes his customers. He feels he would let them down. Our actions while seemingly are justified have repercussions that sometimes we do not grasp.

The vote to not have a parade this year was voted down. Several Chamber members stood up and gave their reasons why we still need to have this celebration. This weekend is after all the weekend we celebrate the birth of our country!

Also the Chamber determined that as a body we would not be doing the street fair. Hurray for us.

Fireworks will be held on Sunday this year.
I understand the McDonald's Hudson Bay will be celebrating its 60th birthday this year.

I drive into Bayview at night. I could not help but notice the lack of lighting and activity. It is real shame that we as a community did not appreciate what we had. A vital, active appearance in the downtown area. Driving into Bayview now is like driving into a ghost town. While Bayview was sleeping the "Grinch" stole Christmas.

Norma Jean

Friday, April 15, 2011

Spring or is it?

My bulbs are finally starting to come up and I think it is spring but not completely sure yet. After my frustrating gardening season last year I am leery of planting the vegetable garden but my fingers are itching to get dirty. Never was much for wearing gloves.

I have been pretty busy with work and class work and have ignored my blog. I enjoy writing but there are times my brain is so tired!

I was speaking with a friend this morning who shared with me that folks around town like me better now than say a year ago. Actually I like myself better too! So I guess my decision was not a bad one, the decision to change places of employment. I know I am basically the same person, just not as frustrated and I am certainly glad I no longer have person's in my life that wanted to change me into something I am not, hence the choice to "move on".

Listening to my Sunday program before traveling to CDA the subject concerned why others try to label us. This has given me pause to reflect. Often those who label us are jealous of what we have that they do not have. I had had a conversation several years ago with a friend. I wonder how many of us label a person simply because we do not understand that person or justify our actions because we are jealous of what another person had. This conversation had a profound affect on me, causing me to wonder about how I react to other people in my life. Walking a mile in another person's shoes can be a cliche' but I believe this is a valuable tool to help us understand and accept each other!

Norma Jean

Saturday, March 19, 2011

New Directions

I have not written for quite awhile in my blogspot, I do not seem to be as prolific as others are. Seems this has become a time for reflection and the choice of a new direction.

Through the words of a friend I have found comfort and peace through the words of another. I travel to Coeur d' Alene in the morning to my new place of employment. At this time in my life this place of work seems to be where I should be. I love the fact that I can report to my desk, start taking calls, get two breaks and a lunch. When I leave I turn my computer off and there the machine sits and waits until I return the next day. I find that my work stays right where it should, in Coeur d' Alene. At first I thought I was simply lucky to be offered the position I now have but through the course of the past weeks I have come to believe that I am exactly where He wants me to be for right now. One door closed through my volition and another opened probably by His hand.

I find myself listening to Victoria Olsteen while driving to work. Her words help smooth the hours at work and I find her thoughts, ideas, and beliefs to be refreshing and renewing. I also read the words written by Joel Osteen finding solace in his brand of Christianity. I know I promised not to bring religion into my conversations but I find myself compelled to share the joy that these two people have brought into my life.

This gift was given to me by a dear friend. So I thank you again.

The horror of the Japanese disaster slowly unfolds. I want to do something to help those people but am not sure exactly what I should do. If I asked the community of Bayview would they once again reach in their pockets to help? The organization I work for has a link on their website for donations, Shaklee also is assisting through their Shaklee Cares group. I assisted a customer yesterday who wanted to donate her rewards to the cause. She started crying when we spoke about the tragedy. Somehow, someway we have all been touched.

... and I read a posting in a blogspot, someone complaining about the folks who may or may not be taking advantage of our local food banks. "The closest thing to the heart of God is helping hurting people" (Osteen)
We have no business judging others, we have no idea what they are feeling or experiencing. Offering our hand to help a person up usually does not hurt us. I would rather be closer to God's heart than guarding what He has given me.

To answer a question that some of you may be asking, yes I did indeed file a small claim in Kootenai Court naming my former place of employment.

I will attempt to be more in touch with my blogspot, still not exactly who is reading except for Linda.

Norma Jean

Saturday, February 26, 2011

Amazing!

It is amazing I have received two comments made to me personally in the last 24 hours concerning my blog. I did not think anyone was reading my posts.

Please excuse me for not communicating more regularly I am currently juggling my new job, home, and my college course.

These past few days I have been getting up at 2:30 am to complete some class work in my college course and of course get ready for work. I made the choice of leaving really early because frankly I wanted to be to work on time and the roads have been less than easy to drive. I have manged to be at my desk in time to log in to my computer with time to spare and have arrived unscathed. The beauty of being at work early, virtually no one is on the roads at the time I travel. The other joy, there is relatively less traffic when I start my journey back home.

I thought when I first started this blog that I would or could write about my personal political beliefs. I have decided that I do not have the writing skills nor the desire to venture into territory that I do not like anyway. As a former bartender I know there are two subjects to steer clear of - religion and politics. I am invoking my experience as a bartender.

The last two years have been serious years. I need light heartedness and as previously stated a time to step back. I am moving forward in a positive fashion. I hope that my previous defection will be over-looked and I can once again regain a positive part of Bayview.

Those of us at my new place of employment who trudged through our 3 weeks of training and 1 week of "jump-start" are now being allowed to swim on our own. I still find the positive atmosphere uplifting where I now work. Most folks are happy. I still am amazed that I am encouraged to use my customer service skills being encouraged to "delight" our customers. Calls may last 10 minutes or if need be an hour. We are encouraged to take care of our customers needs without fear of repercussions. What a concept!

I am unsure of the status of Bayview Days and you know this year I may be able to sit this one out. I may actually be able to enjoy the fireworks on the lawn of Bayview Scenic. There is some speculation concerning just where the vendors will be or if there even will be vendors. I and a few others would not miss the insanity that the vendors bring to the Saturday of Bayview Days. Maybe this is a concept whose time has past. We have heard about the amount of volunteer hours that are required to pull this event off and I cannot help but wonder if we as a community actually had to pay for the work that goes into making this function work would we even agree to hosting the function. Food for thought.

I thank all of you who do read my blog. And I thank you for your comments to me personally.

I just want to have some fun and enjoy life.

God bless you all because He has blessed us. (OOPS! I veered off into a forbidden subject, lol)

Norma Jean

Friday, February 11, 2011

Pats on the Back

I picked up the Bylines or rather the newsletter was emailed to me. I always read the paper each month, never knowing what will be written there. On page four was an article posted about the fundraiser held at an Athol B & B to help the local family in Bayview that was attacked by their neighbor. After I read the article I got to thinking what a nice pat on the back for themselves. The fundraiser was needed and all were thankful for the donations collected but left out were those who flew into action right after the incident.

The incident occurred on December 19th just before we were to fly out and visit family in Virginia for the Christmas holiday. I followed the news on the Internet and via Herb's blog bayviews.blogspot.com. Thanks Herb. By the time I returned I was kind of in the loop.

While we were gone two of Bayviews finest mobilized and placed collection cans around the Bayview and Athol area. They were able to bring cash to the family just before Christmas because of the generous folks that live in our area. A lady stepped up to the plate and contacted WellsFargo in Hayden to set up a bank account for the cash donations that were coming in. A gentleman living near the Wallis family drove down to St Vincent de Pauls and got a voucher for them to use in the store, the Wallis family needed better clothing for court appearances. The community became aware that the family couch still had blood from the incident on it and the carpeting. Not a kind reminder to see on a daily basis and the community of Bayview donated a very nice couch. A need to get Yvonne's car brakes fixed was discovered. Yvonne's neighbor also contacted Victory Auto Parts, Rudy agreed to sell parts at cost so the brakes could be fixed. This neighbor went further and gathered donations for the brake repair, and a donation arrived from a float home owner who lives in England! Eldon at Mr. Tire did the brake work at no charge. Snow tires were found for Yvonne's car. The community of Bayview also located new pajamas for Yvonne, and two robes. Someone left a gas card for them at her home while she was gone. The cans placed around the businesses have been picked up and the money deposited in the bank account for Yvonne and Mike.

I have always known that Bayview was a wonderful place to live, the caring that this community has shown Yvonne Wallis and Michael Heath is phenomenal. I believe in the concept of "paying forward" kindness. This effort was done in the true spirit of Pay It Forward.
Thanks to everyone for their help.

All of you are awesome, especially Vic, Herb, and Judy.

God bless.

HMM

I was going to write a post and say exactly what was on my mind because no one is reading my blog anyway, lo and behold one of my readers posted a comment so I guess I need to change my tactics.

About a month after I left my previous employment I felt as though I had walked through a door and could finally see. I would like to compare my experience to PTSD but feel that would somehow lessen the seriousness of the disorder that our warriors experience upon rotation back to the "real world."  Since my son-in-law is a retired warrior I have respect for his feelings.

But I keep going back to the thought of how stressed I really was, I am amazed that I stayed with the job as long as I did. I am also amazed that I actually feel like myself again.

I started a new job which is unfortunately in Coeur d' Alene but you know what it is a job. I have had intense training for the past two weeks with folks from all walks of life but all have one thing in common, they needed a job just like me! There are twenty four of us. Young, middle age, and then us older folks trying to learn new skills. All of us are there to help each other. One young man named Garrick looked at me sincerely and said you will be fine Norma Jean, encouragement that I have not experienced in the last two years.

My place of employment encourages "world class customer service." Well when that was said I almost fell out of my chair. Customer service I must in the right place because that is a concept that I have held near and dear to heart for many years.

Next week we go into another phase of training and after the next week we are in another program for two weeks of training. This equals five weeks of intense training and why so much training, well my new organization wants me to succeed. If I am successful, then they are too!

How am I doing in my new job? I have people around who care about me as a person, I receive encouragement, I like all of the people I work with, when I come home my job stays in Coeur d' Alene, I have no problem with ethical issues, and who could ask for more?

Tell we meet again!
Norma Jean

Saturday, February 5, 2011

The Bay Cafe

Last Tuesday the Cafe hosted its All You Can Eat Spaghetti Night. Seems Dean had a record number this time, 29 people came to enjoy the meal, he came close to running out of food. Folks gathered to listen to Judy Gullidge sing and play her guitar. Carol did the best she could to help serve with her broken arm. The dinner lasts from 4pm-7pm.

March 1st, 2011 another Spaghetti Meal will be hosted at The Cafe'. Come and enjoy a dinner that features live entertainment.

I had a great meal and enjoyable conversation with local friends! What delightful way to spend an evening in Bayview.

New Job

I started training for a new position that requires commuting to Coeur d' Alene this past week. Frankly I was very grateful to finally land a position that pays fairly well for North Idaho standards. Last night I came home to discover how delightful it can be to return and know that my job has been left in Coeur d' Alene and did not follow me home, as it has in the past. My training period lasts two weeks, what a delight, an organization that takes the time to train employees.

The company I work for is an outsource organization. When outsourcing first started in the 80's jobs were sent overseas. Economically an outcry was heard concerning the unfairness of this new way of doing business. Outsourcing meant losing jobs in the United States. One of the first papers I wrote while pursuing higher education dealt with this new way of doing business. Welcome to the world of the Internet.

But this business is different, the outsourcing is for organizations within the United States, organizations that wish to be more productive and profitable. My new organization provides many jobs for the local economy. I drive from Bayview and several other trainees come from the Spokane area.

I am grateful to have found employment.

Tuesday, January 18, 2011

Community Effort

I have been amazed at the response shown towards the efforts to help the Wallis/Heath family move through this very diffficult time. Speaking with Michael the other day I told him that words can never express the sorrow that I feel for him and Yvonne.

Bayview has made me proud with the continued support for this family.
The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes

Wednesday, January 5, 2011

Time to step away

Sometimes we need to step away for clarity in our lives. The stepping away may mean leaving a job or traveling to another part of the country. In my case both aspects of stepping away have come into play with my life.
I stepped away from recent employment because there were aspects of the job that I did not like, aspects of personalities that I could not accept, and issues with my basic personality that others wished to change. Things are a little harder right now for us but I firmly believe that the decision I reached to step away was the right decision for me and my Bayview family. I still have not located a job but I believe that when He is ready an opportunity will present itself.
A trip across the country to spend time with my daughter, my son-in-law, who is more like a son than he knows, and my grand-sons was the right choice for both Dean and myself. Nothing special was done, just a quiet holiday spent cooking and baking for the family. My life up until October 23, 2010 had been a busy life, seemingly not enough hours in the day, let alone find the time to just talk to my children about their hopes and dreams. Family time around the dining room table with laughter seemed to be a luxury I could not afford. Too busy, not enough time! This time away from Bayview allowed me to see that some issues I deemed as important may not be that important after all! I would prefer being able to take time to visit all of my children, who for some reason unknown to me, are scattered across the United States.
What amazed and warmed my heart however were the folks who hearing the weather were concerned for our safety. Sometimes one needs to step away to discover what is really important, friends and family!
The four legged kids have forgiven us for being gone so long, we have returned to our normal routines, with the exception of a job for me!
Last night I was going through paperwork and ran across the email that was sent concerning the Chamber election and the health of the DAC. When I read the email again, it disturbed me as the email disturbed me when I first read it. I am not a sore loser and I gladly acquiesce to who the voters choose to run the Chamber, what bothers me is the last line of the email “Thanks, we can all breath (sic) easier now and be assured the future of the DAC looks very good.” (Grandy) I truly have to wonder what is wrong with having a Chamber of Commerce that is "for business only". (Grandy)
I scratch my head and wonder, just what is wrong with a Chamber of Commerce that supports the local businesses?
After stepping away and taking a break, and with reflection I can say without a doubt that I still support a business only Chamber and yes the DAC needs to either go away or be re-organized!